Pastor Mark Martin PROVEN WRONG: Ellen White Vision of Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn

Christian greetings in the wonderful Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God told Isaiah: "O my people! they who guide you lead you astray." (Isa. 3:12).

J. MARK MARTIN WRONG ABOUT PREDICTION

In the wild world of religion, there are a few preachers of the truth. They minister to tiny congregations. And the churches (if they even have a building) generally leak when it rains. There's just not a lot of money in truth telling.

But then there are the shepherds of the mega-churches. The sermons tend to be pleasantly neutral, with themes like go ahead and do it if you want to -- God will still love you.

Pastor Mark Martin runs the Calvary Community Church in Phoenix, where he's well-known for pleasant, inoffensive sermons. In addition to providing for feel-good worship experiences, he's had time to write the book "Seventh-day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White".

And this is a real blockbuster?

Sort of. Its available for free at his exadventist website.

After taking theology studies at one of the pink Adventist colleges in California, Mr. Martin fancies himself an expert on the prophetic ministry of Ellen White. At page 5, he claims that one of the "PREDICTIONS OF ELLEN G. WHITE" was that "She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn".

Now, when someone makes a statement about something that happened in the past, its no prediction.

A prediction is a statement of something that will happen in the future. Another word for this is prophecy -- "A declaration of something to come; a foretelling; a prediction; esp., an inspired foretelling."
http://www.brainyquote.com/words/pr/prophecy207384.html

Accordingly, Mr. Martin's statement that Ellen White "predicted" that "She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn" is wrong. It wasn't a prediction at all -- just a report.

BUT MARTIN BELIEVES THE VISION

And was this prediction true?

At page 18 of his book, Pastor Mark Martin says it was:

"She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn"

Please note that this is a verbatim quote from Mr. Martin.

So was Mr. Martin telling the truth when he said,
"She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn", or was he telling the truth when he stated:

"Mrs. White's prophecies which are clearly wrong:

  • Jerusalem's Future: Mrs. White will be alive when Jesus returns
  • England will attack the United States (1862)
  • The Civil War is a sign Jesus is about to return
  • In 1850's Mrs. White said Jesus will return "in a few months"
  • Adventists living in 1856 will be alive when Jesus returns
  • Mrs. White saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn"

Either Ellen White saw Enoch or she didn't. One place Mr. Martin says she did. Another place Martin says she didn't. Since both of his contradictory statements cannot be true, we are faced with a:

FOUNTAIN OF ERROR

The recounting of this vision concerned a past event, and was not a prophecy. Mr. Martin is wrong!

And he just can't make up his mind: did she see Enoch or not?

Mr. Martin provides NO evidence that Ellen White did not see Enoch on Jupiter in her vision.

While Mr. Martin states, "To date, excellent satellite pictures of Jupiter and Saturn have not revealed any life forms." (J. Mark Martin, Seventh-day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White, p 18), his contention is completely unsupported by any citations or authorities.

Not that it would make any difference.

Just because Sister White saw Enoch there in vision more than 100 years ago, Mr. Martin has provided no evidence that Enoch would still be there today.

Unfortunately, this man is confused about historical recountings versus prophecy.

FALSE LEADERSHIP IS A LONGTIME PROBLEM

In almost every age, both scripture and history reveal that false religious leadership has led the average believer into error and spiritual bondage:
[39] And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
[40] And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
[41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 9
ARROGANT FALSEHOODS

So it is today. Evil religious leadership continues to stimulate a rash of doubt in the Holy Bible and the writings of the Great Prophet.

Many resent arrogant falsehoods put out by men not qualified in the sciences. Many also resent production of such blasphemous and immoral attacks on the High and Holy Adventist church.

A primary purpose of this website is to protect and deliver prophet deniers and doubters from the yoke of bondage to their apostate leadership so that God's destiny for backslidden Christians might be fulfilled. If such false leadership is not restrained (as Christ did to the Pharisees), even more waves of prophet hate will sweep the world.

A careful examination of the errors propagated by the false religious leadership will also strengthen the faith of pilgrims on their trek to the Kingdom!


THEY TALK "TRUTH", PUBLISH ERROR

The prophet deniers generally claim they are on a crusade for "truth". A careful examination of their publications reveals lots of error:
[7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 15
Of course, the denial community is sometimes offended when their ways are exposed:
[12] Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? Matthew 15
And Pastor Martin is "offended", but he's still wrong!

So what to do?

We consider this counsel from the Master:
[14] Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15


RELATED READING:

J. Mark Martin and his exAdventist Outreach

J. Mark Martin Proven Wrong about Prophet White & Adventist Church

Adventist Book Center Disproves Critic Mark Martin

Overview of Tragic Martin Errors

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